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    -Unacceptable and extrmely out of place- A rant for quality

    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:50 pm

    I'm going to describe my feelings and thoughts over running this community, managing it's day to day systems and watching the development of -every- character. Many times I've even got close to you all to truely understand your characters. The entire admin team sits upon a principle that we allow characters to follow there actions but with in mind we enforce consequence as ANY roleplay community should. We rarely forbid and RARELY enforce any legislation upon our players and when we have it's to ensure somthing remains in sense within' the roleplay standards.

    Infact, we go further then that. Those initial admins such as myself and Doner don't actually get the chance to play a character we -want- to play, we sacrifice our time playing event characters and enabling other players to develop. The more I think about it, the more selfless it seems, we're not getting anything out of this, nor do we want to. We merely want to run a community that enables high quality role-play. You see, we built this entire community purely as a test, I for one have ran successful communities before, way more successful then Sevilidan and thus' the fact I see our playerbase maxing out on a daily basis doesnt phase me. Not one bit, however...

    Whilst this is all a test, there is but ONE thing that phases me-

    And it aint the cat girls or certain silly choices some characters make OR the fact we PK incredible amounts of characters on a weekly basis.

    The thing that bothers me and Doner is quite simple, EVERYONE is out of place.

    Let me explain and begin this rant, prehaps you'll all explain where my fury comes from.

    1. Certain characters are out of place, incredibly out of place - You'd think it in a democratic society this'd be fine, but we live in a medieval society where Lords hold over land, control armies and have a monarch. These lords of course can CONSCRIPT anyone they want and hold ultimate political power over their realms. YET unlike most lords in the Real world who'd came and passed. Our lords are quite relaxed and chilled, yet the amount of IC sheer disrespect they recieve from all characters makes no sense, at all.

    Concidering every lord is providing a garrison, protecting EVERYONE from demons. Ensuring food gets inside the average joes belly. Some people seem to regard Noble characters as just another average joe on the street. So I become -incredibly- angry when a Lord invites guests to a feast. Guests who have NO power or any political standing, whom a lord has no oath to look after at all by the way treats them to a noble feast and receives disrespect. Yes, this is but one example and it goes further.

    We've planned for an event of royalty showing up, but upon showing up and within' five minutes of approching the first fortification. Royalty is immediantly insulted upon with threats and foul remarks. Now folks, believe it or not but doing ANYTHING like this in a medieval society isnt just a crime. It's actually concidered treason. Jesus, you treat the royalty as if they're tyrants. These characters in our fantasy setting have freaking protected you for generations, they're GOOD rulers, not tyrants.

    Conclusion to point 1 - Everyone is incredibly out of place, your acting like a modern character responding to ideas of medieval life. Rejecting things like Lords, Royalty and claims. All of this seems to go past your heads, you're commoners. Commoners ARE NOT university intellectuals, stop. Right now.

    2. Demons are friends? What in the holy fuck are some of you doing? Let me explain, a demon no matter the type is an incredibly evil spawn from hell. Everything about them is designed to kill/taint/fuck with mortal kind. Fair enough some demons are DIFFERENT and make use of different plans. But when I see characters acting casual as fuck towards a demon not realizing the full implications it has, I cringe so fucking hard. Let me remind you, demons rape you, kill you and fucking slaughter your families. This point co-incides with point one. Lords protect you but you'd rather toss shit at a lord and try to befriend a demon.

    -ARE YOU INSANE?-

    It kinda' speaks enough. You guys should be opposing this threat with incredible might before shit gets worse because it will, we push these consequences forward. It's apart of the test. We do not give a shit if you decide to leave simply because you have some thought in your head that we're here to ensure you get more gear, get stronger and survive with each encounter.

    3. Beasts - Again, like Demons these races are seen as warbands and incredibly violent threats to man-kind. But no, lets be friends right? Despite the fact a character like Tarsh has ripped up many characters. You guys still don't adapt to the idea that a character like Tarsh likes the SMASH.

    4. Executions, burnings, stoning etc - Yeah folks, your characters act like they've never seen anything like this today. Things like being beheaded, stoned to death, having a tongue cutt out ect is pretty common in medieval society. Again, most characters are acting like privileged university students.

    5. Atheism - Sweet jesus people... we're not a modern society, this is Medieval fantasy roleplay, not fucking 2012 demons invade roleplay. Fanatical religions exist, those whom are seen as heretical are burned at the stake. To push the point, these religions are actually REAL. Things like the LIGHT, NATURAL POWER, SPIRITS and DEMONS actually fucking exist. It's fantasy roleplay. So why the fuck are a good number of you once again acting like middle class spoiled university students walking around, snarling PUBLICALLY at religion whilst publically roleplaying athism. It's pure madness! Athism exists because WE KNOW gods do not exist, we KNOW about matter. WE KNOW the world isnt flat and that we're possibly not the only life in the universe. We know this because it's fucking applicable to our real universe. However, some of you are roleplaying modern intellegent characters who understand the concept of fucking physics. Everyone is cutt from the same cloth for a reason, you're commoners.

    If the real fact you can see things like spirits, powers of the light and fucking demons still causes you to reject it and believe in athism. Then atleast FAKE being a heretic. Jesus people, you'll get burned at the stake by religious fanatics! Where is the fear aspect?




    In conclusion majority of the characters in our community are incredibly out of place and this ISNT the kind of thing roleplay I want to run. Doner agrees, it isnt the type of roleplay he funded for. We did this because we wanted a roleplay server where we could allow people to roleplay different aspects and actually have a unusual degre in roleplay freedom whilst testing things like character sheets and other new elements that come to mind. We don't care for the fact we hit 20/20 averagely OR the fact people enjoy it here.
    Things NEED to be better then this for there is no way in hell I am going to continue running a community that may be quantity but shit quality. So I beg you please, for the love of the server if you really want this to keep going for more then 1 month, please change your habbits. I know you can all roleplay but so many of you get so caught up in this bubble and forget the setting.

    Thank you for reading.
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    Post by Katojishifu on Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:15 pm

    These points are true, too true.. though, the map change is a nice welcoming change, now things don't look like some rundown town. I think that we also should begin making "Executions and punishments" a thing, Maybe do like medivial times, cut off peoples tongue who disrespect lords? or atleast make a large hole in them so they have lesser ability to speak, and certain letters they can't pronounce? and uhh, can i have the tongues for.. uhh alchemical purposes? thanks Smile

    Also, let's make my tribe of beastmen stronger! as people seem to want and befriend hungry savage spearwielding-near naked lizard men! our codex goes : eat men, steal women, make beastkin. and piss off sindel Smile
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    Post by Joslav on Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:15 pm

    In my opinion, if people disrespect high authority, make examples of them.
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    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:23 pm

    Well there seems to be a trend I've noticed during time of day.

    EU time server time, the roleplay seems to be quite good and it makes sense, it isnt as bad with the exception of afew.

    But as time progressing into US, some characters just become incredibly toxic and seem to appear like Rebellious teenagers to me.

    The nobles ARENT bad people, they're not like in game of thrones. We've only burned one guy so far for heresy and chopped one guys tongue off for speaking out in the middle of a feast with insults. We have SHOULD chop alot of heads off but everyone is being a special fruitcake. It's really making running this community frustraiting and has actually caused me and Doner to want to reconcider running this project. People need to sort it out, we shouldnt HAVE to PK everyone like we have in the past. We're not meant to be holding hands and be telling you guys to sort it out. :V

    Im used to calling admins out for bullshit moves, never thought I'd find myself calling out a chunk of players.
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    Post by DeathwingHD on Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:20 pm

    I completely agree with this as I was with mad when we cut off the tongue.. It is completely bullshit how people think this land is rainbows and kittens all the time where you can say whatever the hell you want and do whatever the hell you want and not expect punishment and frankly you all are lucky this isn't super heavy medieval rp because the beastkin would be almost non existent, Females would be considered sex objects, ripped from their homes for the pleasures of knights,lords etc..Anyone who would be disrespecting the lord would be whipped and/or flayed and/or straight up executed at the first sign of disrespect.. in comparison getting your tongue cut off is a slap on the wrist..You all should be very afraid of lords and nobles as they absolutely have the power to kill you anytime they want to. As mad said these lords and nobles are kind in comparison to others because personally I would inflict so much worse punishments for disrespect because I don't give a shit. Please keep in mind this is a serious roleplay server with serious consequences and serious punishments for actions
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    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:28 pm

    Thanks for understanding my Rage Deathwing.
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    Post by Waffelgun on Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:24 pm

    Waffel wrote:>Actually have a noticable guard
    >Actually have a noticable effect on the life of the people serving under you
    >Policies
    >(Maybe?) Taxes, which can in turn be invested to improve the guard and/or land
    (Some that apply OOCly as the server's map only concerns one small land)
    >Actually do some politics
    >Wage war (This helps unite those under you!)
    >Make peace (Makes you appear kinda competent, but could cause anger among those supporting war)
    >Trade ($$$)

    Just for your awareness, no player is a lord except one. The only REASON that person became a lord was because they took charge during an event. No one takes charge thus' no ones going to become a Lord, we HAVE a potential lord arising as well known as Alexander who took over a Fort recently and is offering safety. P

    Second, war: Have you been asleep? We're at war with bloody demons who're invading.

    Peace: Why the fuck would we have piece with demons? The entire world is at peace with Surna and locked with trade.

    It seems to me you're not quite paying attention IC'ly.

    You talk about taxes, that's an IC'ly factor. Going around and publicly taxing everyone in-game is incredibly inaccurate and would have devastating consequences.

    ALSO, Lords protect you every fucking day. It's called the Eternal Flame, remember the last time they up and left? Remember a plague? Demon invasion? These people protect you all the time, enough looking for reasons to say "Fuck authority." if you want to do that, start some rebellion and face the IC consequences because the last time I recall you've got no fucking reason to rebel. You're all IC'ly fed, all got homes. A big fucking wall protecting you and a low crime rate. You've litterally zero reason to be so IC'ly aggressive to the nobility, you're just looking for a reason to be edgy.
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    Post by Waffelgun on Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:27 pm

    To expand on that, (Since I can't edit my posts for whatever reason) the simplest thing that can be done now
    is have some patroling guards. Stationed somewhere where they are visible to the people that inhabit whatever
    area the lord reigns over. They should have a unified banner or something of the sorts to be a constant
    reminder to the people who is keeping them safe and why their taxes aren't being wasted.

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    Post by jray on Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:40 pm

    I complete agree on everything mad says I also like to add people who do end up battling things like demons or creatures who assume they work like humans and are weak. Creatures are not humans demons are not humans if you stab a demon with some regular sword its not going to fall over and cry its going to fuck your ass up. Dont assume creatures and demons to take damage and react as if they were human.

    I really like this server and hope it can adjust so it can stay up Very Happy
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    Post by DeathwingHD on Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:40 pm

    Gonna make something clear.. We don't really care that you wanna be an "atheist" or against the light but if you choose to rp that way you can and will be punished for it as it does not fit the beliefs of the land.. the kingdom of surna is not an accepting of everyone tumblr land, it's a closed minded blatantly racist one.

    So all in all if you wanna be against the beliefs of everyone in the land, go for it.. but fair warning that you can and probably will be punished by the lords and nobles for it
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    Post by jray on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:00 pm

    Waffelgun wrote:

    >Actually have a noticable guard
    >Actually have a noticable effect on the life of the people serving under you
    >Policies
    >(Maybe?) Taxes, which can in turn be invested to improve the guard and/or land
    (Some that apply OOCly as the server's map only concerns one small land)
    >Actually do some politics
    >Wage war (This helps unite those under you!)
    >Make peace (Makes you appear kinda competent, but could cause anger among those supporting war)
    >Trade ($$$)


    At the moment the average person doesn't even know who the lord is or if there is one reigning in the
    region at all It's time to change that.

    I agree that we should have some more political role play in place.

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    Post by jray on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:02 pm

    fat cunt wrote:
    Also give us a reason to respect a lord since you never really protected us

    There has been protection provided, the giant fucking city he runs is the protection. If people go out of bounds of his lands into contested territory or evil territory his security isn't offered and you are going at your own risk. Which is how most people have been dying. Also the lack of helping, worshipping the light weakens the light, enabling more evil creatures to come through.
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    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:50 pm

    1st Things first. You can't raise a guard if no one joins. Prehaps you've gone blind, there are IC guards all over the initiatal town.

    2nd, one lord? What? Theres over 3 lords currently and an up and coming Alexander.

    3rd, you've a huge wall protecting you, an entire freaking Order of Paladins battling undead and demons alike.

    It sounds to me like you're litterally just looking for a reason to be rebellious teenager for me. No one of course here is stopping you. However there are consequences to these actions. Also, name change for "Fat cunt" PM me a new name. Unacceptable.
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    Post by Sim on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:51 pm

    hi i come to say that there are some valid points but also you simply are too hardheaded to understand that not everyone wants to follow 1 religion, that's all i wanted to say, you can discuss with me later on steam pm's if you want, but my point of 'they have the right to be atheists' still stands, however, not as far as going "LMAO U IDIOTS THERE AIN'T NO GOD!!!", i'm just saying let people believe what they want just sayin'.

    you took it too far with the "HERETICS" shit tho, to the point where if someone disagrees with truthcaller he will call you a heretic and burn you in a stake, kill you, or mute you.

    and also responding to point 2
    i answered it to you over pm's, read.
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    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:59 pm

    Sim wrote:hi i come to say that there are some valid points but also you simply are too hardheaded to understand that not everyone wants to follow 1 religion, that's all i wanted to say, you can discuss with me later on steam pm's if you want, but my point of 'they have the right to be atheists' still stands, however, not as far as going "LMAO U IDIOTS THERE AIN'T NO GOD!!!", i'm just saying let people believe what they want just sayin'.

    you took it too far with the "HERETICS" shit tho, to the point where if someone disagrees with truthcaller he will call you a heretic and burn you in a stake, kill you, or mute you.

    and also responding to point 2
    i answered it to you over pm's, read.

    "Too far with heretics"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

    You'll find it's very common in a Medieval setting.
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    Post by Sim on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:03 pm

    Madcombat wrote:
    Sim wrote:hi i come to say that there are some valid points but also you simply are too hardheaded to understand that not everyone wants to follow 1 religion, that's all i wanted to say, you can discuss with me later on steam pm's if you want, but my point of 'they have the right to be atheists' still stands, however, not as far as going "LMAO U IDIOTS THERE AIN'T NO GOD!!!", i'm just saying let people believe what they want just sayin'.

    you took it too far with the "HERETICS" shit tho, to the point where if someone disagrees with truthcaller he will call you a heretic and burn you in a stake, kill you, or mute you.

    and also responding to point 2
    i answered it to you over pm's, read.

    "Too far with heretics"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

    You'll find it's very common in a Medieval setting.

    extremism is stupid, i don't believe EVERYONE followed christianity like the bible said, else you'd have to stone prostitutes and get yourself locked in jail for attacking someone. There's many examples of following the bible from bottom to top being wrong, like what we're witnessing these days with ISIS, just sayin'.
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    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:04 pm

    fat cunt wrote:
    Madcombat wrote:1st Things first.  You can't raise a guard if no one joins.  Prehaps you've gone blind, there are IC guards all over the initiatal town.

    2nd, one lord?  What?  Theres over 3 lords currently and an up and coming Alexander.

    3rd, you've a huge wall protecting you, an entire freaking Order of Paladins battling undead and demons alike.  

    It sounds to me like you're litterally just looking for a reason to be rebellious teenager for me.  No one of course here is stopping you.  However there are consequences to these actions.   Also, name change for "Fat cunt" PM me a new name.  Unacceptable.

    I actively play on the server
    but it seems that its coming to a close since an owner is saying "WOW U DISPREKSPETC/??????? /FUCKIKN NNNNNN BNANNN FOR UU18818888 DEYZYZZZ!??!?!?!?!?!?"

    Humans have free choice.
    Peasants have free choice.
    Accept it.

    I began to like the server, It was fun, I made jokes with people and now ever since Demetrios refused to eat because It looks like raw meat, you've gone full SJW on not getting your own way.
    Madcombat wrote:
    It sounds to me like you're litterally just looking for a reason to be rebellious teenager for me.

    Your behavior is what is unacceptable too.
    Just because you have an excuse of it being "serious rp" doesn't mean you can bend how people think and praise.

    You're acting like a spoiled admin because you have all that power.
    That fucking wall certainly didn't fucking protect us from BEASTMEN COMING INTO THE COUNTRY.
    I never said there was only one lord.

    Also you are super fucking sensitive and say the same insult and you start saying "Fat cunt can't be used because it makes us look like pricks" This is already set as my steam name and probably will be for a while.

    Capeesh?

    Im waiting on that name in a PM.

    Second, don't like what I am asking for then leave. Go start your own server, fuck if I care. Prehaps maybe this isnt the place for you? Second of all, it's my server. I paid for it, if you can't accept the fact I own this server. Go buy your own and run your own setting. Second, are you dense enough to believe I was quoting you? Waffel states clearly there is one Lord and that I only play evil characters.
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    Post by Madcombat on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:04 pm

    Sim wrote:
    Madcombat wrote:
    Sim wrote:hi i come to say that there are some valid points but also you simply are too hardheaded to understand that not everyone wants to follow 1 religion, that's all i wanted to say, you can discuss with me later on steam pm's if you want, but my point of 'they have the right to be atheists' still stands, however, not as far as going "LMAO U IDIOTS THERE AIN'T NO GOD!!!", i'm just saying let people believe what they want just sayin'.

    you took it too far with the "HERETICS" shit tho, to the point where if someone disagrees with truthcaller he will call you a heretic and burn you in a stake, kill you, or mute you.

    and also responding to point 2
    i answered it to you over pm's, read.

    "Too far with heretics"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

    You'll find it's very common in a Medieval setting.

    extremism is stupid, i don't believe EVERYONE followed christianity like the bible said, else you'd have to stone prostitutes and get yourself locked in jail for attacking someone. There's many examples of following the bible from bottom to top being wrong, like what we're witnessing these days with ISIS, just sayin'.

    Except they did.
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    Post by DeathwingHD on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:04 pm

    Than leave, You clearly do not enjoy the server for what it is then we do not want you here simply put.. we're not going to go out of our way to change that because you're unhappy and blaming everything on madcombat

    So leave..good bye you're not welcome here if you're going to be a sour piece of shit
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    Post by Sim on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:06 pm

    DeathwingHD wrote:Than leave, You clearly do not enjoy the server for what it is then we do not want you here simply put.. we're not going to go out of our way to change that because you're unhappy and blaming everything on madcombat

    So leave..good bye you're not welcome here if you're going to be a sour piece of shit
    what are you talking about
    you do realize the thread creator is mad?
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    Post by Waffelgun on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:24 pm

    Since for some reason the forum is actin' up with me and I can't correctly quote people, I'll just respond to Mad with quotation marks.
    -->"1st Things first. You can't raise a guard if no one joins. Prehaps you've gone
    blind, there are IC guards all over the initiatal town."

    While it is true that you can't make a guard without people, how about you actually go out and recruit some then?
    Promise a steady pay and equipment to those who do join and there you go, you got yourself some recruits.

    IC guards do little when people aren't aware they're there or just straight up ignore them.

    -->"2nd, one lord? What? Theres over 3 lords currently and an up and coming Alexander."

    Last time I played (Before the map change) I wasn't even aware that there was a single lord, maybe make 'em more noticeable.

    -->"3rd, you've a huge wall protecting you, an entire freaking Order of Paladins battling undead and demons alike."

    Yeah that's great and all but it still didn't stop demons, liches, beastmen, etc. from just entering the spawn town anyway.

    -->"It sounds to me like you're litterally just looking for a reason to be rebellious teenager for me. No one of course here is stopping you. However there are consequences to these actions."

    Just giving some constructive criticism here.
    Ayy lmao

    -->"Waffel states clearly there is one Lord and that I only play evil characters."

    For the first point, see above.
    For the second point, I don't think I've really said that you only play evil characters? What are you on about?

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